أنا مش قليلة الأدب، شفيق هو اللي مش محترم
بابا حبيبي ربنا يخليهولي طول عمره قاطع نفسه معايا لحد ما لسانه دلدل و ريقه نشف اني “احترم الكبير” و يجيبلي من القرآن و من السيرة امثلة عشان احط في عيني حصوة ملح و ابطل تطاول على من لا أحترمهم ممن هم أكبر مني في السن لكن بقاله ييجي 30 سنة حاسس انه بيدن في مالطة… مرة اداني اسطوانة زعيق وراها باين كباية اتحدفت في وشي لما اتريقت و أنا في المدرسة على مدرس العربي (مستر أحمد حسين) عشان من هيافته مد ايده على زمايلي الولاد… و مرة تانية اخد مني مفاتيح العربية في الحامعة عشان قلت على استاذ من الأساتذة الغير محترمين (د. بدر سنوسي) انه “هزء” و قاللي حاجة ما معناها انه معرفش يربيني
يا بابايا يا حبيبي… الإحترام زي الحب لازم يُستحق و فيه في تصرفات كل شخص دلالات تجبرك على احترام الشخص حتى ان لم تتفق معه… و اكبر دليل اني بحترمك و بحبك بالرغم من انك دكتاتور و ممشي كلامك على رقبتي
دي كانت بداية و مقدمة لابد منها قبل ما أبدأ وصلة الردح اللي تحت اللي الهمني بيها الفيديو ده
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMMDe7nYtbY
هو شفيق طلع اغبى و اهبل مما تصورت ولا ايه؟؟؟
يعني حركتين غباوة في اقل من 3 ايام:
1- يمنع اعادة بث حوار ابراهيم عيسى مع عمرو الليثي في واحد من الناس و يقفش على عمرو الليثي (ماهو زودها، مرة بلال فضل و مرة ابراهيم عيسى)
2- و بعد كدة يسيح لمحمود سعد و يفرشله الملاية “بالأدب” و قال ايه هو بس بيوضح أو بيستفسر
طب على فكرة بقى و قد أكون مخطئة… اسم محمود سعد بيجيب للتلفزيون المصري اعلانات بفلوس اكتر اكيد من اللي بياخده… لكن أنا بقى عايزة اعرف مرتب رئيس التليفيزيون و وزير الإعلام و كل رئيس تنفيذي لمؤسسة حكومية كام (ده اللي فوق الترابيزة بس، هه) و على أي اساس بما ان اسمهم لا يعتبر بأي شكل من الأشكال علامة تجارية… انا كنت بسمع عن مهازل في اعلانات جريدة الأهرام و لولا ان مصدر معلوماتي اني “سمعت” حتى لو من مصادر موثوق فيها كنت قلت
ايه الأسلوب الرخيص ده… ايه يا شفيق شغل الناس الجعانة ده… بلدي أوي يا حسين… ده حتى عيب، في ناس بتقول عليك “كلاس”… و كمان ايه ” بأي صفة هفرض نفسي” طب انت مش واخد بالك ان الناس عمالة بتتظاعر و تعتصم عشان تورينا قفاك، ايه بقى اللي مقعدك… فعلا تلميذ مبارك في اللزقة
آخر حاجة بقى مدام بنفتح لبعض… حضرتك كنت بتاخد كام في السنة على ليلة مطار القاهرة و مكاسب مصر للطيران و بتاخد كام دلوقتي و انت مكلبش في رئاسة الوزراء
هو مش اللي بيته من ازاز برضه مايتزفتش يغير هدومه في الصالون
أنا لحد الأسبوع اللي فات كنت بمتنع عن اي تعليق على شخصك و بس قافشة على ان ماينفعش تبقى رئيس وزارة و محدش عايزك غير الرئيس اللي مشي و ان اللي حصل ليلة 2 فبراير حصل و انت على الكرسي ده و ان دم الناس اللي ماتت يومها في رقبتك سواءا كنت متورط أو لأ لأنك قبلها بيوم قلت “على رقبتي” مه ان ده ساعتها كان أول مسمار ادق في مصداقيتك
و على فكرة، أنا مش آسفة على “قلة ادبي” لأنك فعلا انت اللي هزقت نفسك و شيبتك… الناس المحترمة مش بتستنى حد يحترمها عشان سنها، تصرفاتهم و افعالهم بتسبقهم…
bossy ba2a, mahmoud sa3d dah bezzat yetfresh le omoh alf melaya. He is the same guy who kept calling on the president in his show, the show that people didn’t watch because he was ma7soob 3ala el 7okoma and he was one of elly beylama3ooha
Mahmoud Sa3d tried to win shewayet sha3bya and dump the Egyptian TV ship 3ashan lama yeegy esmoh fi ay ta72ee2 ye2ool enoh talfee2 we takhlees 7a2
Really, look around you. You believe anyone was honest. If he was honest and if he really cares about revolution he would have met SHafiq and cornered him. He got his chance.
And welcome to politics, the simple Egyptian man in the street will care more about what the naseer el foqra2 Mahmoud sa3d salary more than any salary in the world.
Howa mesh 3amel nafsoh batal?
This is just moving from bad to worse. And score settling over the nations welfare is disgusting.
The cake it too tempting for everyone to jump on board.
Mahmoud sa3d elly 3amel lagna lel 7ewar be esm el thawra?! Seriously?!
Maybe Shafiq doesn’t have your respect. But he has mine, along all those who accepted to be part of this cabinet. Because not only they know they will be booed from everyone, but also they know that no one will ever think of how crucial their job was in so many years.
Like Maher’s government after the 1952 coup. Maher pacha saved Egypt, if it weren’t for him Egypt would have come to a full halt. A disaster, and no one respected him back then and he was even called traitor.
Welcome to politics
this is not to defend Mahmoud Sa3d… it is just to high light Shafiq’s cheap stunt… he knew exactly what he was doing by mentioning Sa3d’s salary, but he fell in the pit of provoking people into wanting to know how much he’s earned through the past years for a project that cost millions and millions when we all know too well how no minister was ever clean…
about accepting such a challenging role… trust me, had he resigned on Feb 3 morning, there would have been marches already calling for him to be in charge until all is defined… but he didn’t, and it cost him all his credibility…
he is condescending and he shows no respect and he insists on patronizing the revolution… he lost my respect the minute he could joke about it and then have people getting killed on his watch… for claiming it was “unintentional” or that he “did not know about it”… let’s agree ya shimaa en loola en howa fee 3ando bardu malaf fasad, makansh a3ad fel wezara kol da w makansh mubarak nafsoh ekhtaroh…
ana law makanoh w 3andy e7teram le nafsy, hamshy… mesh hatagahal! khayef 3ala masr, lazem yefham en tamasokoh be mansebo bardu beydoraha at this particular point
Bossy, mawdoo3 el fasad dah bas 3ashan neb2a 3ala maya bieda, kolena fasdeen including ana wenty
and elly 3andoh malaf fasad beyseeb el balad mesh beyb2a ra2ees wezara, howa fien Youssef Botros?
we dah akbar fased fi el donia, we ma7desh gab esmoh we ma7desh haygeeb esmoh we koloh 3aref lieh. zay ma kan 2a3ed fi el wezara we bardo le nafs el sabab
we Mubarak ekhtaroh 3ashan yesaket el nas, bas e7na benensa
check keda kol el kalam elly tele3 ba3d appointing shafiq, we koloh 2al we howa shafiq eh yesadaroh le mubarak howa keda 7ara2 nafsoh
and the cheap stunts are just getting started
everything is just getting started
and this is how politics work.
And honestly, he will go. And the one appointed after him will go bardo because people won’t like him
And then people will keep attacking the army, till the army splits
And then at best we will have parallel governments and none ruling Egypt and at worst look at your left side of the map
We could have been the new Libya if it weren’t for the army everyone isn’t liking now. And we can still be like that.
Look at the left side and see how the army generals control Democratic Israel, look further and look at the beautiful Lebanon with no government and different forces on the ground fighting over power.
Welcome to politics.
The examples doesn’t stop at the ones on your right and your left.
But I am telling you Shafiq will go and people won’t be pleased bel 3aks they will get hungry for more witches to burn.
And as they do, Egypt is falling down.
i share your worry ya Shimz, and agree that we are all corrupted, and that whoever takes a position, his/her corruption will be disclosed for the whole world to see…
i worry about the pressure and the chaos, i have seen it first hand the day of El Gaza’er Square and it terrified me…
but like i said in that note “showayet 3a2l”, i wanted to give shafiq a chance despite my general discomfort about him and how i failed to rust him no matter how i tried… i tried to not resort to personal criticism… but he did it himself…
i know the worries wallahy and i know you love this country too much to want to see it that chaotic… but if temporary chaos is the price we pay for a solid stability built on transparency, then be it… and if it’s either chaos or what used to be, then i would reluctantly choose chaos (as i HATE myself for saying it)
There is no way back, and temporary in the history of nations could last for centuries.
Choosing chaos means choosing blood. And that makes all of us responsible for whoever will die because of that choice.
When we choose chaos, and push for it. It isn’t about our own lives anymore. It is about a whole nation.
And the result of chaos was never in the the favor of those who chose it or those who die.
Chaos bring an unknown player to the front. A player powerful enough to take down all other players.
Chaos will never solve the problem on the contrary, chaos will bring a worse regime to power. And this will happen over lots of innocents dead bodies.
We’re not all corrupted! I am not corrupted alhamdulilah. And if some of us really were, many of those some CHANGED.
However, many still insist on their views, severing the very fabric of this revolution by their inexplicable rooted positions, and their flawed theories about coping up and patience and crap.
This revolution boils down to this: some people are ready for change, and some people don’t WANT to change. They just like it keda .. regardless of why, whether it was corruption, fear, stupidity, laziness – I don’t care.
And honestly, the rest are suffering because of those lazy asses.
Of those lazy asses is the entire Mubarak system, including the very ones he chose, and the ones who are consistently tampering with the country’s progress – they spent years not wanting to change, and they still don’t want to.
No nation is ALL corrupted – or else how on earth did a revolution take place!
I find the fact that facebook contributed to this revolution, the very explanation of why some still don’t want to go on with it till the end – and THOSE are the ones responsible for the chaos, and not anybody else.
De nas DA2A Adeema wel moseeeba enno homma elly maskeen el balad now we 3ashan keda kollo khayef el nas elly matet dammaha yero7 fel hawa ..
Someone made an excellent comment after the bloody Wednesday. It went on the line of: “Horses and camels against a world-class Tahrir sq? can you see the symbolism? It’s brilliant.”
This is all what this revolution is about.
ok, i will not choose chaos, you make a point…
but i cannot settle for something because someone is using my fear of chaos to push me into a fake decision ya Shimaa…
Shafiq is allowing whatever invisible forces to take control by lying and by turning it personal without even having the needed decency to handle the situation… he could have started communicating with the people in a more direct and transparent way… he would have won millions of hearts in that process, but he is acting like it’s beneath him…
i know it’s not just shafiq, and i know we’re scapegoating him until we find the next candidate, and i hate and resent that fact… but he’s just making it worse…
oh, i have been asking about butros since he disappeared, da 7abeeb 2alby men gowa!!! why was he chosen, enty 3arfa ana gedeeda fel seyasa :)
Inso
His name gives you the answer and why he has been immune, because you know the delicate national fabric can’t handle such a thing
Look around you and see who have always been immune :)
And he is out of the country. Like most of the corrupted.
Ibrahim, wow! you don’t care about what others think is best for the country? So now, the revolution is about enforcing a form of country that some think is best? Seriously!
And really whoever isn’t with what you think is necessarily belongs to Mubarak?! Seriously?
And you are in no place to judge your corruptness, because as far as I know no one thinks he is corrupted. And corruption is levels and can take lots of shapes.
And I am sorry to tell you, that even some of those who supported the revolution are deeply corrupted. Revolutions aren’t all clean, unless off course you are reading a revolution in a novel. Where the good beats the evil.
Politics, my dear, is about interest. A revolution is a reflection of the conflict of interest between those who rule and those who are ruled. That doesn’t make any party holier than the other.
There is no holiness in politics. Holiness is a drug sold to people to follow politicians.
And no, el nas el da2a adeema that are trying to hold the country together now are not the reason for chaos.
Because if you didn’t notice we are in a major crisis and many people are so high on it thinking they have won the war against tawa7een el hawa.
The state fell in Egypt and no one seems to care about anything but bringing whatever left from it down.
El Nas el da22a adeema di knows politics. El nas el da22a adeema di stood to make sure Egypt never turn into Libya.
el nas el da2a adeema di isn’t responsible for the chaos.
If by ‘others’ you mean the ones who were in charge for so long (or the ones who support those), then yes, I don’t care. They have taken their chance khalas, it’s time for new.
I also didn’t say whoever isn’t with what I think necessarily belongs to Mubarak, I’m just saying CHANGE is needed, and many who belong to Mubarak simply hate change.
I’m in perfect place to judge my own corruption alhamdulilah – it’s easy in the mirror and on the pillow at night. Corruptness stings, and I don’t have that.
The unclean ones who supported the revolution – dol ma7soben 3alena, and they weren’t the ones I’m talking about khales, and they’re not the majority and that’s the point.
Politics IS ABOUT making someone holier than the other – at least Egyptian politics is, and the revolution wants to clean that as well. The conflict of interest here is about who wants to change and who doesn’t give a damn about anything.
People are bored of the drug and I’m thankful for it.
They are the reason for chaos – they are fighting the revolution whether they’re aware of it or not. They’re resisting change, terribly.
I’m not from the ones who are high on victory, and I believe our public’s awareness exceeded all expectations and is very responsible and can face whatever challenges.
Everybody cares about resolving this – it’s those who want so badly to prove their point that want to bring it down, those who want so badly the old system back. In their dreams tab3an isA.
El Nas el Da2a el Adeema knows politics, yes. and that is the ENTIRE problem ya Shimaa, ya far7ety bel politics elly khalletna maskharet el 3alam, we ya far7ety bel politics elly 3amalet balawy keteer mesh magal zekraha hena – el POLITICS de men awwel el hagat elly hatetmese7 isA. It’s a way of thinking that got too old khalas.
EL Nas da22a el adeema law kano khado forsethom, we lola satr rabbena, we were definitely going to be like libya! Da homma nefsohom ay haga te7sal 3ashan el nas tebattal tenta2 khales.
EL Nas el Da22a el adeema are the one’s responsible for what this revolution is fixing, and they’re the ones responsible for the difficulties that obscure its path.
And it’s clear enough how Da22a Adeema Shafik is. It’s clear enough how much he despises change.
I agree that we’re all corrupted in different degrees, but Shimaa you really think Shafi2 is the right man now?
1.the guy lost most of his credibility when protesters got attacked by camels and his apology wasn’t enough, and till now no one really knows who was behind that attack.
2. everybody keep talking about the miracle he did in Egyptair, do a little search over the net and you’ll find out that Egyptair is currently one of the worst airlines in the world, not because of how bad it is but because their prices are very high compared to the bad service they provide.
3.Search for an interview he made with BBC in 4th or 5th of February, and listen carefully to what he was saying back then.
4. Talking about mahmoud sa3d’s salary is a cheap move despite what an asshole sa3d is, a disgusting move actually that should never come out from a man in his position.
now forget about him, i agree with what you said about people will not like anyone who will take his place. but thats normal in the phase Egypt is going through right now, e7na fe mar7alet morahka seyaseya. you’re talking about a country that never dreamed of another president, and was waiting for gamal to jump in saying “ele ne3rafo a7san mn ele mane3rafoosh” and “da metrabe fe bet el rayes bardo”. this is normal and it will take time for us to understand what democracy really means. and to learn how to accept others opinions without calling them traitors.
one last thing, egypt will never be like lebanon or libya for a lot of reasons and this post is not the right place to discuss them. the country is divided and broken yes, but this is just temporary
Bos ya Ibrahim, politics mesh hatetmse7, politics is there since the dawn of history actually history is a bi-product of politics.
And political awareness is so much needed now. If people aren’t politically aware I am so sorry to tell you that we aren’t going to go anywhere and things will keep moving from bad to worse
and no, the masses are never aware. The masses are irrational, so are the poets leading them
You want an example from modern Egyptian history, the masses supported Nasser who killed thousands of Egyptians intentionally and the so called intellects made beautiful arguments to worship him. And it is the lack of political awareness of the masses that made Nasser the God that’s being worshiped by many till now.
And I am sorry, CHANGE shouldn’t ever be the goal. Reform is, better Egypt is the goal. CHANGE is something people do out of boredom and boredom by definition includes rage. I don’t trust a good intention based on a mixed feeling of boredom and hate.
And denying the credit from those who stopped us from being another Libya, denying the credit from those who are preventing us from turning into Yemen, denying the credit from those who are doing their best we don’t be in a Lebanon type of situation, really just because you think they had their chance?
We don’t make judgement because we just don’t like people. We don’t twist whatever happened to please us.
Right now, el nas el da22a adeema di is saving ur life that could be wasted tomorrow in an endless war for nothing.
I am sure you will happily die for your cause but you know what really bravery is, it is having the chance to get people killed for a cause and saving those lives and choosing the sound of reason over the ease of using weapons.
Egypt isn’t immune of whatever is happening around us. Egypt isn’t about the demands in Tahrir square. Egypt is way bigger than a tight vision that lack experience and strategic perspective.
And you are high on victory, saying that politics is awel el 7agat elly hatetmese7. Seriously?! A world without politics?
reread what you have written, I understand that you are controlled with the revolution spirit. And this is the main concern now, this spirit and the urge to destroy everything in sight should be matched with some reason and a little of the bigger picture. Some listening to others, and knowing what other countries did and what were the problems they faced and how to avoid them.
And a here is a personal question for you, you are one of those who hated this country the most and said repeatedly that you never belonged. Now you go around saying you are a proud Egyptian. What if things didn’t go exactly the way you wanted them to go, will you get back to the I hate the country and I don’t belong to it square? If true, what do you call this? And how can you know for sure that your need to bring all the da2a adeema guys and all your ideas that they are the one causing chaos are love based thoughts?
It is sort of puzzling you know, because I for one always loved this country and always believed in the good in its people. You didn’t. So how can you be so sure now that destroying Egypt is an act of love? And how much your love for this country hold if things got bloody and Egypt went through a rough phase of transformation. Which side will you fight with? And the question here, which side will be the right side? Those who want to glue the country or those who want to break it down? And how about your conscience, will you look in the mirror and still feel you are not corrupted knowing that you have taken a side and that blood is shed in the name of whatever you call right?
Ahmed, it is not about the person.
I believe that whoever will come people will want to bring down anyway. And that’s why the army isn’t pulling Shafiq, they want him to stand still as long as he can. Because if they removed him mn awel wa7ed ye2ool mesh 3ayzoh we will have a 1951 type of governments. All at best lasting for a couple of weeks.
And we might not follow the exact model of Libya or lebanon. But right now we are running high risks of blood in the streets. It not by splitting the army, it will be by different groups with different interests.
The longer the chaos, the higher the risk. And the little the stability in the government the higher the risk. A government to assume control and be responsible of action needs time. And not only time in the time of chaos because whatever they will do will be gone in vain. They need some relatively stable time to see results.
And yes we are in morahka seyasya, with lots of people talking about politics as experts in the time they don’t even know anything about the current scene the history of powers or even the strategic importance of Egypt and the direct results on the whole region. And how this could affect Egypt back.
It is like those who are supporting the Bahrani revolution because you know revolutions are so in these days and the cool people are all pro revolution and free ay 7aga fi ay 7aga
Exactly like those who are surprised of what’s happening in Libya, or those who are shocked of what the results will be in Yemen.
e7na fi mar7alet morahka fe3lan, tofoola kaman lw te7eb.
And I honestly don’t care about any country, let whoever slaughter whoever, let whatever split or not. I only care about this country and my countrymen blood.
And I have all the right reasons to worry. And I can’t be optimistic, in the time we all need to be realistic.
Admitting the risks and seeing them clearly are part of decision making. It is a nation’s destiny at stake. This shouldn’t be taken lightly. Not with Egypt. Masr kebeera awy, akbar mn kol el nas elly fiha delwa2ty we akbar mn kol el nas elly hateegy ba3dien.
Still from the first day people kept saying “el sha3b yoreed eskat el nezam” which means the whole regime. you think the army keeps shafee2 because they want him to stand still as long as he can? why didnt they remove abo el 3′eet then? and why the hell would they bring that idiot beta3 el dakhleya? ele tele3 3alena on TV 3ashan ye2ol el shorta zat el fol we de kela mondasa we nafs el kalam?
why they keep doing that?
you said you know how complicated politics is so you need to admit that there is game going on right now, and the army is a part of it.
The only game going is the game to prevent the horrible scenarios. I know I have been going around saying why Abu El Ghiet is still in place, and actually it is in favor of the revolutionaries.
This is an interim government, there will be no change in Egypt’s foreign policy. The elected government should handle the new foreign policy. So Abu El ghiet is there so that no one mess up with that strategic file till whoever the people will choose handle it.
The MOI is disaster, you can’t have a change on it from day one. And whoever on top should have an acceptance from those working in in the MOI and the public. because the last thing anyone want now is tanzeem zobat el shorta el a7rar, it is a scenario. some young police officers and keep in mind they are from the middle class and upper middle class the same way those who started the jan25 are.
They can have their own revolution too if the government appointed someone they don’t think will bring them their dignity back.
Right now the MOI want to win the public and the trust of his officers. He wants to make sure young men will still apply for the academy so we won’t end up with no police force.
That’s why wagdy is still in place till the army find someone else who can do the tricky job. You don’t just find that someone in a day.
there is no magic wand to undo long years of certain policies.
Do you imagine that if right now people in Tahrir formed a government people in those ministries will just follow.
Do you think if someone from he street went to the police officers and told them i am your new minister you have to follow my orders they will just do?!
Really? with the guns and all? They will appoint their own minister and rule a part of Egypt and will hire people to torture.
Right now the army is gluing everything together. It is the only power left in place and respected. There is no games. The only game is trying to avoid zobat el shorta el a7rar, and then new el zobat el a7ara in the army, and the salfyeen mn agl masr militia and the na7no fedak ya saleeb organization.
And mowatoonon mn agl el 7asheesh gang, and mn el nahrda ana el 7okoma microbus drivers committee … etc
maho el balad malhash kebeer, we koloh momken yekoon kebeer fi la7za, we mafeesh bor2o3 el 7aya khalas, koloh 3ala 3ienak ya tager.
Shimaa:
I didn’t twist haga khales wallahe .. I’m just expressing an opinion, that if anything’s wrong these days, it’s because of the ones like Shafik, and if there were others, things would progress faster and more efficiently.
He, and his likes, feel like swallowing a lump.
Anyways, I have replies on all your points that range from disagreeing, to simply rephrasing things that you misunderstood from me khales; however I won’t go on 3ashan I don’t like things to be uneasy like our last debate :)
About ‘me’, well, I said that I’m proud and that I’m ‘still’ learning to love my country. It’s a process, for me. There’s not a better time to feel something I never found genuine inside myself.
Now, I do find it staggeringly genuine.
Besides, many of the things I do stem out of the fact that they feel right more than the fact that I’m Egyptian; one of which being a proud Egyptian.
Needless to say, I’m awfully sorry if a thing i said disturbed you.
I agree with some of your opinions, but still i disagree with the fact that they should use fear as an excuse to do whatever they want, or even worse we use our fear as an excuse to justify anything they do.
who said anything about bringing a minister from outside? hwa khalas el dakhleya maba2ash feha 7ad mo7tarab who dosnt believe in the “kela mondasa” theory?
but looking back to all the replies i can see you’re putting a lot of effort in replying. so maybe we have 2 different opinions and thats it.